This is how Hungary could be kicked out of the EU
The French and German governments have presented a joint agenda for EU reform. This includes the exclusion of Member States that do not respect the rule of law and the introduction of a semi-membership.
The EU is facing a transformation
The European Union has an important problem. It wants to expand, but it cannot do so in its current structure. Enlargement is important because the Balkan countries and former Soviet republics prefer Russian or Chinese patronage.
The EU’s outward-looking external borders would help the continent’s security and reduce the possibility of proximity wars. If there is peace in Ukraine, Hungary’s neighbour will also become an EU member. By 2022, it was clear for EU leaders that Ukrainians have redeemed membership with their blood.
If Ukraine is granted membership, it will be hard to say no to the other candidates waiting in the Balkans. Besides the moral imperatives, there would also be financial and security benefits from enlargement. However, EU decision-making is still cumbersome, especially compared to other major powers in the world. If there were 35-40 member states instead of the current 27 with which the EU is currently negotiating, the situation would be unmanageable, writes valaszonline.hu.
What about Hungary and the veto
A 60-page discussion paper on a possible solution was presented to the General Affairs Council by representatives of the German and French governments. The two most powerful governments in the EU did not formally adopt the positions themselves, but 12 independent experts wrote them.
“After a certain level and time of violations, a country cannot remain a member of the EU,” the text says. They say that a member state must stop dismantling the rule of law. In such cases, there is currently almost nothing the EU can do, and this is one of the most important things to be done before enlargement.
They would also take money from countries like Hungary under an even stricter and more pseudo-system. Poland and Hungary have been in proceedings for six and five years respectively, which could end in the loss of voting rights. However, this is unrealistic at the moment, because it would require the full agreement of the Member States, while the two countries have promised to protect each other.
The proposal now on the table is that a four-fifths majority of member states could be sufficient to block the vote. In fact, if for five years the Council is unable to decide whether or not to exonerate a Member State of the charges it made at the start of the procedure, they would automatically be penalised.
Multi-level membership
It is known that not everyone wants an integrated EU. It is suggested that the issue would be resolved at several levels, if their will goes through. First of all, there would be an Inner Circle. It would include countries that are in the Schengen area and the euro area, so Slovakia would be in the Schengen area while Hungary would be excluded.
The second level would concern the EU members. These member countries can vote, but they are exempted from some new rules. But only those who respect the rule of law would be allowed to stay.
The Associate Members comprise the economically connected countries, while the European Political Community members offer a foreign policy-military alliance to countries around the EU but far from membership.
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23 Comments
It’s coming. The overwhelming majority of EU member states are not going to put up forever with the Fidesz government’s destructive sabotage of the organization. The Eurasian Economic Union led by Russia and including Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan would be an alternative organization for Hungary to join as a junior partner of Moscow if Orban wants an eastern direction for Hungary. Hungarians can live together with their Russian comrades.
@Larry,
Looks very much like you were sleeping during history lessons…..
Concur – Larry.
Orban / Fidesz have INCINERATED the European Union Membership.
When is Hungary going to accept this Fact ?
When is Hungary going to accept, they have, continue to be the case, and it will WORSEN, a country, taken to a place that see’s us absolutely STRANGULATED – in downward trend, that millions of lives, continue to decay, there quality of life, eroding disappearing declining before them, and the lives – the future of Hungary, returning to a dictatorship governance ?
Wow – if we think the overall state of Public Health – Hospitals in particular are sub-standard, and Education in SHAMBLES, and Public Transport its need of INVESTMENT, these are just (3) areas of NEEDS that every Hungarian that through INVESTMENT needs billions of Forints injected into them – IMMEDIATLEY.
Orbans creation for himself is that of a Gordian Knot – an intractable problem, that he – his Government, have no money to INVEST.
Hungary – it’s past a due date – ACTION stations in the millions to save our FUTURE, under DEMOCRACY and retain European Union Membership.
Since hungary is blocking Sweden from joining NATO, I believe the Swedish aerospace should stop all military aid and especially upgrading and servicing the already deployed, leased Swedish fighter jets (SAAB GRIPEN) that hungary relies on. I also believe that Sweden has a lot more to offer to both the EU and NATO in terms of supporting its allies and neighbors and standing against Russian occupation and ongoing brutal oppression in Ukraine. The Hungarian regime is not a worthy member and therefore should be relegated to a partial membership until it gets in line with the rule of law and Orbán government be deposed. We don’t need another Russian ally working counter to the both EU and NATO organizations. I have not yet heard of any positive signs that would point to a change in the Hungarian government and people electing and re electing the Orbán government stance on international standards by which all other members conduct themselves. Blaming the victim and having close ties to terrorists in the Kremlin. There should be some sort of punishment or isolation to see which way they are going to go. EU or NATO or be part of and supporting Putins regime both politically and and economically.
Hungary is becoming a Rouge state that no longer can be trusted. It is also becoming less democratic and more autocratic. This is Just my view on things since I was born in hungary and know fair amount of information on the daily life of Hungarians and their government. Some people might not agree with my views but I have lived and seen. Hungarian government can no longer be trusted and will be like Belarus or worse. Last but not least, all weapons shipment should immediately be halted. There’s no reason supporting them any longer unless they wake up and find a different path towards wold peace and security. But they will not do that EVER. Hungarians are not as friendly most people think they are.
Since hungary is blocking Sweden from joining NATO, I believe the Swedish aerospace should stop all military aid and especially upgrading and servicing the already deployed, leased Swedish fighter jets (SAAB GRIPEN) that hungary relies on. I also believe that Sweden has a lot more to offer to both the EU and NATO in terms of supporting its allies and neighbors and standing against Russian occupation and ongoing brutal oppression in Ukraine. The Hungarian regime is not a worthy member and therefore should be relegated to a partial membership until it gets in line with the rule of law and Orbán government be deposed. We don’t need another Russian ally working counter to the both EU and NATO organizations. I have not yet heard of any positive signs that would point to a change in the Hungarian government and people electing and re electing the Orbán government stance on international standards by which all other members conduct themselves. Blaming the victim and having close ties to terrorists in the Kremlin. There should be some sort of punishment or isolation to see which way they are going to go. EU or NATO or be part of and supporting Putins regime both politically and and economically.
Hungary is becoming a Rouge state that no longer can be trusted. It is also becoming less democratic and more autocratic. This is Just my view on things since I was born in hungary and know fair amount of information on the daily life of Hungarians and their government. Some people might not agree with my views but I have lived and seen. Hungarian government can no longer be trusted and will be like Belarus or worse. Last but not least, all weapons shipment should immediately be halted. There’s no reason supporting them any longer unless they wake up and find a different path towards wold peace and security. But they will not do that EVER. Hungarians are not as friendly most people think they are.
I guess democracy and difference of opinion do not matter in the EU. Look at these posts and where is there any mention of democracy, only censorship and the mandatory conformity of a country whose politician was directly voted for unlike the the ones you are all defending. I don’t like Orbán but I hate a brussels dictatorship more.
The decline of the EU. Keep dreaming, generally, not working, not going to work.
Thank god for the EU! Without it life for Hungarians would continue to descend into the brutish, corrupt and ignorant hellscape of the Orban regime. Perhaps the harsh medicine of EU expulsion can bring this tiny despot and his sycophantic moronic followers down in Hungary.
Are these comments really left by Hungarians?? Obviously Hungarian government is not perfect, but nobody can pretend Hungary isn’t better off now than it was in the past.
Tourists come more often from western Europe and are impressed by the unique culture, cleanliness and good prices found in Hungary. People always comment to me things like that. Only liberals with too much politics in their mind complain about the government. And they don’t even come here. Everyone else is impressed by the food, classical music, Balaton, etc.
The bigger states France and Germany should not push Hungary out of the EU. Hungary is part of Europe. It’s just a fact. Sweden should also join, but if Hungary is blocking it it’s probably because they are just doing political bargaining. People need to stop being so crazy about politics and look at the big picture. Brussels should be first to take my advice!
Its better this way than being another arabic or African country like it has happened with western EU countries.. in another couple if years this decision will help to keep Hungary and Poland actually European
My comment is regarding the idiot named Jsim. Political science school lesson #1 What does the word, democracy mean? Democracy is a political system that invests political power in its members.
EU is absolutely a democracy, except! When voting. That is when the least powerful, anti democratic member gets to stop the vast majority of the EU from doing what it needs to do because the EU didn’t give one autocratic member its extortion money. Hungary gets all of the benefits of EU, Yet none the responsibility of a democracy.
I am very proud of my Hungarian ancestry, especially the Hungarian Americans but the Hungarian political system could not pick the winner in a horse with only one horse running.
Absolute rubbish!!! Hungary now just like the past is a satellite to German businesses and Orbán knows that.
Germany can not afford Hungary to go out of the EU as they are tied financially.
What sad is that Orbán is courting Communist China, and we all know what Communism has done to the Country.
The work what Communist China offering to Hungary will only benefit the Philippines.
Can anyone explain to me what it is that make Orban and fidesz so popular in Hungary?
Please let’s kick out Hungary. The sooner the better.
There should be a vote, and I would gladly vote to kick out Hungary.
I don’t really know if hungarians agree with the russian puppet that they have as PM, but he is basically a acting as a russian state.
It can be a democracy, but Hungary does not align with our european values, and they favour an invasor over the invaded,
Kicking a country out of the EU only strengthens your neighbors. A method of suspension and punishment based on a set of standards might be a better alternative. The biggest problem with any Union, is when any single member has power of Vito. That should never happen, no matter how large, or how strong you are. There needs to be a method of being able to make changes or improvements to the benefit of the majority, without having a single or small group of members prevent changes for ransom. Vito power allows those who have it, impose their will on the others. If a country doesn’t like what all of the other members agree upon, they always have the opportunity to terminate their membership. It is the only way to have true value in any relationship, you stay until it is no longer beneficial to you, at which time, you have the option to reconsider.
Orban is a total disgrace. He hates the EU and works against it. There is nothing it does in order to try and support the EU. The EU has a transparent organisation based on agreed treaties. To foster co-operation, decisions are based as far as possible on unanimous decisions. Human rights are respected. Hungary does not work like that. It would be good if the EU continuously tighten the screws on Hungary until either its people removed Orban, or it was forced out by the other members. I feel the treaties should be amended to facilitate this, and I consider the EU should set a time limit, say 2 years, to have this issue resolved one way or the other. At the same time, the EU should strengthen its own defence co-operation in order to rely less on the USA, where the Republican Party is an unpredictable and untrustworthy grouping. As long as Putin lives, Europe has someone with evil designs on it and all the EU has to keep this in mind.
Kick Putin’s puppet regime in Budapest out. They are only making things worse.
Hungary has förgpotten the help Sweden gave refugees 1956. Today about 40 000 relatives now live in Sweden.
We will never forget Hungarys refusal of Swedens Nato application. As we say in Sweden “Pig stick always comes around”.
Payback time will come.
I don’t believe Hungary is 1% of EU economy. If they don’t like EU they should exit EU, there is no real loss for EU from the economical perspective
Shame on the EU for not having rules to kick Hungary out!!
No mention of the leader of the Netherlands calling for a Exit from the EU and Italy could be close behind. There is a reason the UK left and it was 1/3 of the money unfortunately it was a little late.
The powers that be are still pissed- they could care less about Brits. It was the EU and the US who violently revolted the twice elected goverment so the EU could have control- we know what has happened- how dare Putin get pissed. NATO is the US. Europe has twice the pop of the Europe and still foots most of the bill for 70 years.
@TM – could you list the top three benefits the UK reaped from Brexit? Or … Just one tangible example?