Hungary’s leader, PM Orbán, gave an exclusive interview to the German Bild tabloid. Among other matters, he shared his opinion about the Russian–Ukrainian conflict. He also talked about Putin’s health.
PM Orbán was interviewed by the Ukrainian journalist of Bild, Paul Ronzheimer. Index reported that the Hungarian leader made his standpoint very clear this time. He thinks that Ukraine has no chance of winning the war. Giving arms to the country would only escalate the conflict instead of solving it. PM Orbán also gave his opinion on Putin’s power and whether he will stay in charge or not.
Wagner Group rebellion
According to Orbán, the Wagner Group rebellion was not a significant event. His opinion is based on the reports from the Hungarian intelligence. He thinks that the Hungarian intelligence is “more reliable than anything else”. Viktor Orbán does not think that the events weakened the Russian leader. Surely, the rebellion itself, that something like this can happen, could be viewed as a sign of weakness. But the fact that Putin was able to settle the conflict in less than 24 hours shows the real strength of the leader. The rebellion is over, the war continues. According to him, this event had no real potential of bringing peace. However, the most important thing is truce, and eventually, peace. He also said:
“Putin is the leader of Russia. If someone thinks that he could fail or can be removed, then that person does not understand the Russians nor the Russian power structure.”
The power of Russia
PM Orbán thinks that Putin is a strong leader, thus he will remain the President of Russia in 2024. Despite what people say, Russia’s power structure is still very stable. He said:
“Russia works differently from us. Its structures are very stable. They are based on the military, the secret service, the police, so it is a different kind of country than us, a military-oriented country. It is not like Germany or Hungary […]. So if we want to understand how it works according to our logic, we will be wrong.”
Friendship with Russia?
The interviewer asked Orbán why he is taking the side of Russians and becomes a friend of Putin if he was against the Soviets in 1989. PM Orbán said that this is not the case. He is fighting for his own nation, for Hungary. The Hungarian leader does not care about Putin, nor Russia. He only cares about what is best for Hungary, and obviously, the conflict is bad for Hungarians.
Putin is not a war criminal
The Hungarian leader also told Bild that the last time he spoke with Putin was weeks before the invasion. The interviewer asked Orbán if Putin would be captured in Hungary if he came to visit. PM Orbán thinks that this is very hypothetical because the Russian leader is not planning on doing so. He has also said that he does not consider Putin a war criminal. He elaborated on his opinion:
“Because we are at war. You can talk about war crimes after the war. If we want a ceasefire and negotiations, we must convince the parties of the conflict to sit down and negotiate.”
Ukraine will not win
The Hungarian leader thinks that it is impossible for Ukraine to win this war. Ukraine will run out of soldiers faster than Russia, and this is what matters at the end. Orbán says that peace is the most important thing. If the war goes on, the Ukrainians will lose a lot of money and many will die. He also added that Ukraine could no longer be considered a sovereign nation. He said:
“What matters most is what the US wants to do, because Ukraine is no longer a sovereign country, with no money or weapons of their own, and they can only go on fighting because we in the West support them, which means that if the Americans so decide that they want peace, there will be peace.”
Ukrainians had the right to decide whether to be involved in war
He said Ukrainians had the right to decide about their future and whether to be involved in war. “At the same time, we have the right to decide whether to give money and weapons — if that’s what the Americans want. But we want peace,” he said. “We will not give money or weapons to anybody, including the Ukrainians, because we want negotiations, and to forge peace and a ceasefire,” he added.
In response to a question concerning why Putin would stop at the border after victory and why would he not attack Poland and the Baltic countries, Orbán said the war in Ukraine “clearly showed that NATO is much stronger than Russia”. “Why would somebody who is weaker want to attack NATO,” he said. “It is obvious and clear that NATO is much stronger,” he added.
The war in Ukraine is “not our war” and it is exclusively the task of the Ukrainian people to decide on “questions appearing on the moral and historical horizon”, he said. “So my advice to them is: do what’s best for them, but as to what’s best for them, they should decide because Ukraine is an independent and proud country and nation,” he added.